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found_objects, or found_drama? [May. 5th, 2005|04:00 am]
Sauce1977
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The community of mention:


http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=found_objects


For my own taste, the community found_objects resembles found_comedy.

The argument, as it has remained in this community for some time, continues over what is a 'found object.'


The problem:

Every day, 1-5 users post in the community, to which the effect is:

a) Fake Found Object Found on Internet (belongs in found_online)

b) No Picture; Word Description of Object (usually removed and obviously easy to spot)

c) Found Object with Comedy ("my plant grew a penis" was a recent example, probably removed . . . they can't get 'em all)

d) Pure Spam (These posts usually disappear with a quickness)

e) Found Object with Special Message of "Fuck You" to Moderators

f) Re-Posted Found Object Previously Deleted with Special Message of "Fuck You" to Moderators)


The response:

I enjoy a peek now and then into found_objects in order to witness something spectacular. In fact, you begin to notice some good people who participate in the community, such as stateofmind_77, who contributes and takes some excellent photographs.

In a community as large as found_objects, the handful of lamer-users increases. Where most communities might hold 50-200 people . . . one might find 5 lamers. That number multiplies with the total number of user-members. How it is, folks?

However, the commentary is where all of the problems begin for people.

Check this out while it lasts. The link is to a month-old post where someone couldn't figure out how to make an image not only smaller, but also to use the 'lj-cut' . . . the amusement, to me, is not the person who can't figure out how to do things . . . it's the nitty-gritty in the responses of flame by the 'elite' . . .

These folks, like this exchange, make up a very vocal minority of the total membership. Since this post probably will be removed, the typical exchange goes something like this:

1) Someone posts a phallic-like found object. Subject: Look! It's a Penis!

2) There will be 15 "HARHARHAR" comments.

3) One of the art critics will start with a cutesy-elite slap-comment, to the effect of the lack of it being a found object, art, funny, and post-worthy of the community.

Enter . . . . the war of insults.


I've been a tad guilty of the "Fuck You" in the community. At one point, I became tired of what I see as the main problem, the objectivity of art. I took my stance and wouldn't let it go. I was banned for a period of time by sarcasmosis. It happens.

I still have great difficulty with the empirical judgement of art. I'm sorting that one out . . . slowly. I have opinions on movies, for example.

Maybe I'm not so much in objection to the judgement of artistic value of the 'found object.' I mean, "My plant grew a wang" isn't exactly . . . art, by most standards. It is, however, mildly amusing for the large majority of the human race.

You want a consistent laugh? Dick, fart. Har har!

I'm laughing to myself over this community. People who get so bent out of shape over the internet are amusing to me.

Most every argument I enter over this medium is done with a normal heart rate and a challenge to the other to come up with an idea that tops my own viewpoint.

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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 08:17 am (UTC)
I run that community a little differently.

In the spirit of controlled aggression that is the NFL, I encourage a clever calling-out.

If the calling-out is backed up with some facts . . . all the better.

If the calling-out with facts is made into some form of joke, plus one more.

If the calling-out with facts and joke is made into a haiku, you are one master of the response.

I only get a little worried when someone becomes genuinely upset.

I try to maintain some control over the events, yet it would be useless to impose a will of strict conduct in a medium filled with so much nonsense.

I just set the framework, make my points, respond to others, and tidy up the edges.

You know, if you do have a legit complaint, like anyone else in that community, there's always the email to my account to bring light to it.

No mod is a deity . . . no mod can see all and judge correctly on everything.

That being said, I'll bet every post and comment on something that doesn't get 15 "hell yea" responses probably rankled somebody's net-nose.

I'm not sure if you're an elitist. I sure don't claim to be one. Plus, folks like you and me who root for teams that are sub-par kind of get a little extra lee-way with voice. That doesn't mean you have license to net-murder folks, verbally, or otherwise, without impunity . . .

If you don't agree with someone's whatever, shout it out, and give the reasons why.

Nothing is more annoying, to me, when someone just flat-out disagrees, goes for the personal throat, and really never explains why they feel how they do.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 08:23 am (UTC)

PS

I can't remember one thing that you've said that really didn't make any sense . . .

People can argue with me. I don't mind. Many are afraid to argue with anyone, due to the large number of folks who go net-apeshit.

I do mind clear forms of disrespect. I start to get a little hesitant and nervous when an argument between myself and someone else breaks out in someone else's journal. Communities? That's a different story.

I generally don't like attacks that focus on personal character and questions of it. Assumptions are a . . . they're not very good, either.

It's hard to explain, but if you got the time, so do I, at the moment.
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[User Picture]From: anima
2005-05-05 08:44 am (UTC)
thanks for the mention, though I feel undeserving, I think I've only posted once to the community. I don't know why people feel compelled to question artistic value on a community for found objects. Just because you found something doesn't mean you think it's art. I think it would be cool if you posted this in metametacomm, I know I've made that community look like it is only for meta this or meta that, but if you look at one of the first entries you will see that the founder of the community slackananda wanted to discuss other lj communities. I am also amused at people who get so fussy over their friends page, to me its just silly.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 08:54 am (UTC)

We're all a little worthy of praise every now and then.

I'm kind of in violation of one of my minor peeves, which is the long-huge mega-post.

Then again, there's been quite a few of them by others, and it's not really bothered me, honestly.

As for your post in found_objects, it was the one with the Bruce Lee in it that won me over . . . plus, you are deserving, since you do post a lot of images, some yours, some not, but all the images to be a resounding breath of fresh air on my side.

I have more than a few people who list me as a friend who also post sweet images and personal art. I love them dearly.

I'll have to investigate this community that you mention.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 09:04 am (UTC)
I'm still trying to understand the nature of metametacomm, however, I will trust your judgement while I am lookin' at it and re-post this, as-is, for that community.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 09:15 am (UTC)
I'll need the accept to do it, however.
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[User Picture]From: anima
2005-05-05 11:22 am (UTC)
No worries the community is really open. Besides slackananda is currently in a world of his own.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 09:54 pm (UTC)
It's a bother at times.

A while back, there was a movement by a collective with thedeadfisharmy to form a new 'found object' community. Somehow, none of the other possible folks spilled over into it. We failed.

I'm not sure if that's the long-term answer, the "start a NEW one!" In some cases, yes, but in this case, maybe not.

There's an occasional quality to posting something in a community, especially one of that size. One, of course, receives the free benefit of the possibility of over 1,000 folks who notice your object on the friends' page. I found at least a few people, I think thedeadfisharmy, included, around that time with the Valentine's Day "Stop Smoking" note on my apartment door.
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From: xlindsayx
2005-05-05 04:17 pm (UTC)
i can't believe everyone was SO hard on that girl for not lj-cutting. it seems like it was a genuine regret on her part, but the replies just kept on coming.

haha
people really do get all bent out of shape for nothing.
OMG MY FRIENDS PAGE IS RUINED. THE ENTRIES ARE MISALIGNED! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2005-05-05 09:57 pm (UTC)
I can imagine the viewpoint of a teenager, still . . .

The kids are still hard-wired for acceptance and peer-opinion, which dominates because of the long-term structure and setting of the institution of education.

To have even 20 people say "OMG FUK YOUUUUUUU SO STUPID YOU SO STUPID" to a kid, it can be a major trauma for some.

I know. It's the internet. Thankfully, I didn't have this when I was in high school.
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