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Snopes.com Link: United Nations, Voting Habits. [May. 10th, 2004|08:43 am]
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Okay, here's the link:


http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp


The circulated email detailed by snopes.com is in reference to the voting habits of Middle Eastern countries in the United Nations.

Generally, these countries vote against the United States in the United Nations on various calls to vote.

Of great note from the snopes.com piece:

How much significance one should place in these figures is problematic, because most other U.N. Member States have records of voting against the U.S. that are equally as bad as the records of the countries named in the message above. U.N. votes on resolutions are frequently lopsided, pitting a single nation or a handful of nations against all the others, and more often than not the U.S. is the one nation at odds with the rest of the world. Of the 83 resolutions we surveyed for our informal tally, in ten cases the U.S. was the only Member State to vote against them, and in five cases only one other nation joined the U.S. in voting against them. In fact, in over half the total cases (42 out of 83), the U.S. was supported by five or fewer Member States in voting against a U.N. resolution. So it isn't just the Arab/Islamic states who consistently vote against the U.S. in the United Nations — pretty much the rest of the world does, too.


A significant number of United States citizens identify with one of the multiple Christian faiths. Possibly, this could help explain the position of the powers of the United States with relation to the United Nations:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm (Reference to the Apocalypse)

Keep in mind, the writings of the Apocalypse were penned around the time when Christians were still outcasts and outlaws in the regions over the Roman Empire. The interpretation and understanding of such words are of great importance. I found this quite interesting:

The Christians were fiercely persecuted in the reign of Domitian. The danger of apostasy was great. False prophets went about, trying to seduce the people to conform to the heathen practices and to take part in the Caesar-worship. The Seer urges his Christians to remain true to their faith and to bear their troubles with fortitude. He encourages them with the promise of an ample and speedy reward. He assures them that Christ's triumphant coming is at hand. Both in the beginning and at the end of his book the Seer is most emphatic in telling his people that the hour of victory is nigh.


Conquest, Slaughter, Dearth, and Death.

It is curious to note that the circumstance for those earlier writings has evolved into a never-ending prophecy of the end being eternally nigh.

Does anyone remember the Y2K uncertainty? I remember folks who claimed that date as the end of the world. Halley's Comet has been known to cause claims of the comet's appearance as a sign of the end times. World governments, bar codes . . .

It seems that individuals and cultures suffer from the uncertainty of the date of their own demise and the theoretical demise of the world.

The modern culture has not changed much over history because people have not changed.

One can look in a similar way at Durante Dante Alighiere's Divine Comedy and its influence on the modern day view of what is known as "Hell." Dante's work did solidify Latin as a respectable language. However, Latin is considered a dead language, while the visions of the Circles of Hell remain influential among the modern culture.

Not that it matters, but now it appears that I am destined to Purgatory, based on the Circles:


The Dante's Inferno Test has sent you to Purgatory!
Here is how you matched up against all the levels:
LevelScore
Purgatory (Repenting Believers)Extreme
Level 1 - Limbo (Virtuous Non-Believers)Very High
Level 2 (Lustful)Moderate
Level 3 (Gluttonous)Very Low
Level 4 (Prodigal and Avaricious)Very Low
Level 5 (Wrathful and Gloomy)Very Low
Level 6 - The City of Dis (Heretics)Very Low
Level 7 (Violent)Moderate
Level 8- the Malebolge (Fraudulent, Malicious, Panderers)Low
Level 9 - Cocytus (Treacherous)Very Low

Take the Dante Inferno Hell Test



Which, oddly enough, this has improved from the previous instance of test-taking:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/sauce1977rm/9067.html (I was destined to Limbo last year.)


Curious Questions:

1. Just how are people going to put Saddam Hussein on trial?

2. Will the future historians see Saddam and Osama as modern-day martyrs?

3. Why do people insist on a World Government?



The United States and the United Nations have one key difference of opinion which leads to many difficulties. The United States refuses to fully submit to any motion from the United Nations because the United States submits to no one.

By the very nature of the failure of the League of Nations, with some similarity, the United Nations also remains toothless. One of the most powerful players, the United States, will not comply. Iraq occupied Kuwait in 1990 without regard to the United Nations. Even the United States launched military forces into Iraq . . . 1991 and 2003 . . . with no consequence in the United Nations.

Let's face it . . . life isn't a comic book. There is no Justice League. As long as the United States has the money and technology and citizen-power to do whatever . . . it would be the same situation with any country in the shoes of the United States.

Given the number of Iraqi casualties in the Gulf War and our currently-evolving aftermath, can you picture this happening to the citizens of the United States?

The Listing for the Board Game I Played as a Child

Fortress America

September 11, 2001 was a mere "pecking on the surface," to put it in similar terms to a line from Star Wars.

The United States hasn't witnessed an organized military-driven invasion of the home continental country since the War of 1812.

History helps draw all sorts of similarities.

We know that the assassination of the Archduke of Ferdinand is regarded as the catalyst for World War I.

An interesting document: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1914/ferddead.html (Account of Jevtic, One of the Arrested)

Everyone is quite concerned . . . daily coverage of angry Iraqis and unwanted American troops can't all be lies. Yet, locked in some ass-crack of a very secure prison under American control, there sits one Saddam Hussein.

Who knows what he does every day? He obviously does not talk to the authorities. Playing cards? Watching TV? Masturbation? Praying to Allah that the United States somehow falls? Praying maybe that the US does not give him the same treatment that he gave his people? Praying that dinner time brings something new? What do they feed him, anyway?

No one really covers the real kicker of the situation.

When the can of worms opens up on the questions of what to do with Saddam Hussein, this will be more confusing than any current geo-political confusion we currently experience.

Has he been tried for his crimes? Why would we try him? He didn't commit anything in the United States. By our laws, he'd walk free because there is no substantial evidence that he directly conspired or supported the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001 in NYC.

The wrong-doings of Saddam were carried out on his own people. Yet, I'm pretty sure the United States holds him under our control and custody.

You can bet your go-go boots that the United Nations will want a piece of that action. Considering they are generally a 'peaceful' entity, it amazes me that they want to act like a government.

I'm sure the Iraqis wouldn't let him go free.

Regardless, the inane emails of some office bozo don't help the situation. Kudos to snopes.com for inspiration for more thought.



Other Fun Facts:


01. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/gulf.war/facts/gulfwar/ (Link to 1991 Gulf War facts)

02. http://electroniciraq.net/news/1247.shtml (Link to opinion article on capture of Saddam . . . multiple views, good stuff)

03. http://www.zackvision.com/weblog/archives/entry/000592.html (Another Opinion on Capture of Saddam)

04. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_102908,0008.htm (Why Iraq Invaded Kuwait)

05. http://www.geocities.com/iraqinfo/index.html?page=/iraqinfo/gulfwar/whyinvade.html (Another Why Iraq Invaded Kuwait)

06. http://americanhistory.about.com/b/a/015613.htm (Yet Another Why Iraq Invaded Kuwait)

07. http://www.indepthinfo.com/iraq/aftermath.shtml (Aftermath of Gulf War)

08. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War (Wikipedia does good work to treat the Gulf War)

09. http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/1677.php (Failure of League of Nations)

10. http://www.fpa.org/newsletter_info2493/newsletter_info_sub_list.htm?section=International%20Criminal%20Court (Note of US Opposition to the United Nations)

11. http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20040309.html (Link to Ask Yahoo! on the Apocalypse)

12.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0042876/ (Rashomon: One of the Best Films on Difference of Viewpoint)
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Comments:
From: pernod
2004-05-10 09:07 am (UTC)

oops, mistype

why we're in the g-d United Nations has always been a mystery to me. my lib friends love it because it feeds in their Eutopia 'pie in the sky' shit, but on paper it has a deplorable record. they damn sure hate our guts, though interestingly, my Canadian friends are convinced that the UN is a puppett and does the bidding of America.

wtf?
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 09:16 am (UTC)

Re: oops, mistype

A World Government doesn't work primarily because if the World Government decides against any one country, that country, if under the control of a World Government with some real power, is totally and utterly fluxt0red.

Case in point on the United Nations being a sack of shit:

When the United States started the ball on sanctions against Saddam's regime in forms of trade embargos . . . nations in the U.N. chastised it as a deplorable, genocidal act against Iraq . . .

But did anyone do anything about it?
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From: pernod
2004-05-10 09:20 am (UTC)

Re: oops, mistype

fuck no, they didn't.

i think that they are just a big money laundering operation or something.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 09:34 am (UTC)

Re: oops, mistype

Well, I did catch an episode of "Sesame Street" where Kofi Annan sang along with the muppets.

You could chalk that one up to public relations.
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From: pernod
2004-05-10 09:37 am (UTC)

Re: oops, mistype

or that bag of money they gave him.


did he sing in Spanish?
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 11:10 am (UTC)

The Bitches and Money Principle.

I can't remember for sure. It may have been in English . . . or with a numbers theme. It sure was entertaining.

In some way, NWA was so right . . . with regards to the song "Gangsta Gangsta."

If you identify "life" as a variable substitution with regards to the powers of countries . . .

It becomes a rather solid principle, as life is seemingly all about bitches and money.

Especially it is so, if one uses "bitches" as the 2nd variable, substituted for whatever the current MIF (Most Important Focus) happens to be in terms of the country.

The Bitches and Money Principle

(x) = (y) + Money



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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 11:11 am (UTC)

Re: The Bitches and Money Principle.

x=life

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[User Picture]From: fruitpunch76
2004-05-10 10:50 am (UTC)
As we have discussed, I believe that much of what is going on in the world is bringing us closer to the end. However, people dwell on it too much and get into a panic. It says that Jesus' return will come "like a thief in the night". In other words, we won't know until it happens. Therefore, our goal is to live our lives as if each day were the last, being ready....well for those that believe that.


Again...this is not commented to bring up debate...just sharing my piece.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 11:11 am (UTC)
Carpe Diem. That makes sense in many ways.
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[User Picture]From: fruitpunch76
2004-05-10 11:20 am (UTC)
It also goes along with the "My name is I AM" card I had you read while I was out to visit. If you don't remember it, that's ok. I'll send it to you again later.

I took the Dante test...hee hee!
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 11:43 am (UTC)
The test, of course, is not quite that sophisticated, but it's better than the horrible Quizilla rip-off I noticed from a Google search.
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[User Picture]From: fruitpunch76
2004-05-10 11:50 am (UTC)
I can imagine.

I take it you got sleep last night?
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 12:55 pm (UTC)
Yes I did!

I woke up at 7:30 again today.
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[User Picture]From: fruitpunch76
2004-05-10 01:16 pm (UTC)
Impressive...you're almost on the same type of schedule as me. Whee!!!!
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-10 01:16 pm (UTC)
Yes!
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