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Hollywood Takes on Homer. [May. 14th, 2004|11:00 pm]
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Well, they went and made another big Hollywood epic.

Troy could have been rather horrible, but it's pretty decent. You can have fun with this one, despite the rather long running time.

People looking for constant battle and action won't find it. There's plenty of story with this action. The main characters, Helen, Paris, and the whole crew spend a lot of time with dialogue, and for some, that can be a turnoff, as it is the standard Hollywood dialogue, right from the beginning.

In the first scenes, the Greek forces are looking to finish off the last tribe not under the allegiance. The two parties want to settle it with a duel of Achilles and the tribe's biggest brute, a huge Goliath-type against the mythic hero. The problem is, Achilles is nowhere to be found. A boy is sent off to nudge him from his tent.

The boy walks in to find a still-sleeping Achilles, littered with cups of drink and two women.

Rising him from slumber, he tells Achilles they request his presence in the duel. After reasoning with Achilles that the duel will save countless lives, the boy mentions to Achilles as he gets on his horse, to this effect:

BOY: This guy, he's really big! I sure wouldn't want to fight him.

ACHILLES: This is why your name will never be remembered.

Brad Pitt as Achilles.


Pitt's a real character, for sure.

Also, Homer's writings may have been more fiction than truth:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/05/0514_040514_troy.html
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[User Picture]From: renazle_dazzle
2004-05-15 03:33 am (UTC)
I want to see that movie just because Orlando Bloom is in it LOL LOL :)
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-15 07:56 am (UTC)
Bloom's acting prowess is unquestioned. He played a really good Paris. Paris was a emotion-based young prince, unlike Hector, played by Bana.

I enjoyed Bana's Hector. Among his people of Troy, Hector would have been a better successor for his father. Hector loved Troy like his father, while Bloom loved Helen, also an emotion-based character.

Paris and Helen were meant for each other.

I haven't read Homer's works, but John, a friend of Brad's that was at the movie, he enjoyed the film and read the works of Homer.

John noted that Troy was not just from one of Homer's works . . . he mentioned that when Paris gave the sword of Troy to Aeneas during the fall of the city, it was Aeneas who carried the spirit of Troy with him . . . ultimately founding the Roman empire from it.
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[User Picture]From: freys
2004-05-15 08:37 pm (UTC)
Troy was amazing, except - I agree with you - for the dialogue, which was irritating with all the cheesiness and cliched pathos. Good film. I hope they make a sequel about the oddyssey with Beanie still as Odysseus. Loved his character - "It is no insult to call a dead man dead." Heheh.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-15 09:42 pm (UTC)
That was an interesting line!

I'm not sure which I like better . . . the goofy Clash of the Titans-style, or the ultra-serious style, which due to the mind today, I can't think of an example. :D
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[User Picture]From: thedeadfisharmy
2004-05-16 07:07 am (UTC)
Horrible, horrible movie! I mean, I respect your opinion and everything, and it seems like critics are split about halfway between your opinion and mine, to the point that I've almost convinced myself that there are two versions of this film in release, and we have seen diffrerent ones.

Anyway, I had thought that my objections to this movie would stem from some sort of love of Greek mythology that dates back to my wee years, but it turned out to have actually been much simpler. It was dull, and everything anyone said was incredibly stupid. And often with the most patchwork array of accents, but that's hardly the point.

The sort of Epic dialogue that was only barely tolerable in Return of the King ended up completely tedious here, and as my girl and I discussed it, we both agreed that Kevin Sorbo (as Hercules) was much better at delivering these sorts of lines like he actually meant them.

In spite of the nice set dressing, the movie left me completely cold.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-05-16 12:58 pm (UTC)
Anyway, I had thought that my objections to this movie would stem from some sort of love of Greek mythology that dates back to my wee years, but it turned out to have actually been much simpler. It was dull, and everything anyone said was incredibly stupid. And often with the most patchwork array of accents, but that's hardly the point.

In this case, yes. This film brought me dull feelings due to the length of running time and the lack of a steady diet of action.

The dialogue was amazingly Hollywoodian in proportions. As mentioned, it sure is a Hollywood film, especially due to the dialogue . . . one could say that Brad Pitt's character name is American, not Achilles.
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