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Global Warming? [Dec. 16th, 2007|10:45 am]
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The snow bomb dropped on metro Detroit tells me to laugh at Al Gore after I lock him in a sauna.


[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-16 07:01 pm (UTC)
That's your choice to take it as . . .
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-17 11:13 pm (UTC)

Don't shoot the messenger.

Global Warming doesn't mean "always warm" - its going to cause irregular heating AND cooling patterns. It seems every time it gets cold, someone says "See! Global warming isn't real...because I'm cold". The more you understand about what happens with global warming, the more you will understand that actually it causes things like snow bombs as well as droughts.

There are places in the world right now where global warming isn't just a myth, its an unarguable reality. Lake Chad in Africa has been virtually unchanged sinse teh first ice age, and just now within the last 8 years has lost almost 90% of its water content leaving desolation. I have to believe that it isn't a coincidence.

Don't tell me you are one of the people that believe its all a hoax?

I figure if anyone is lying about it, scientists have a lot less motive to lie than politicians pampering to their corporate masters.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-18 02:15 am (UTC)

What Fuels Evil

I think I'll stop writing jokes.

This inspires me to let a can of freon into the air.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-18 02:25 am (UTC)

Here's a joke for you.

From here:

Lake Chad is believed to be a remnant of a former inland sea which has grown and shrunk with changes in climate over the past 13,000 years. At its largest, around 4000 BC, this lake is estimated to have covered an area of 400,000 km². Lake sediments appear to indicate dry periods, when the lake nearly dried up, around 8500 BC, 5500 BC, 2000 BC, and 100 BC.

It was one of the largest lakes in the world when first surveyed by Europeans in 1823, but it has shrunk considerably since then. An increased demand on the lake's water from the local population has likely accelerated its shrinkage over the past 40 years. A 2001 study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research blamed the lake's retreat largely on overgrazing in the area surrounding the lake, causing desertification and a decline in vegetation. The report also concluded that "the lake's decline probably has nothing to do with global warming"[2]

Hmmmm . . . if it was due to global warming, could we possibly advocate genocide in order to save the lake?
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-18 03:57 pm (UTC)

its a serious issue and people should care more.

I actually advocate genocide anyways. I don't feel we belong here nor have we earned the right to dominate the planet. We only make things worse for other species and ourselves. I welcome the next big cataclysm. I feel if we wipe ourselves out, the world will be a better planet for the animals that live here and the planet will be back in balance.

Okay, Lake Chad - there will most likely be many arguments on any example. And it really grinds my gears how victorious people who refuse to believe we have a problem act when they throw out a quote or a fact that is contrary to global warming - as if you scored one for your team by puting us in our place.

People thought Jor-el was crazy too. And now they are all fucked. Why would scientist want to cause a panic? They just want us to change the world for the better. There are so many things we do every day that are just wrong, and its indefensible - I could make a giant list but I'll spare you.

Lake Chad is in Africa, along the equator - and certainly that is a reason that it is drying up as well - but there is a big picture - "global Warming" is not some magic word that only means one single thing - its not like global warming is some magical presence. To me, global warming is the sum result of all our problems that have an impact on the environment - In Lake Chad's case, it IS global warming that is the problem because global warming encompasses many of the problems you mentioned - such as overpopulation. People hear overpopulation and don't associate it with global warming. Deforestation, excess fishing, the cattle industry, its all connected. So Lake Chad's problems, whether you believe it or not - still have a root in global warming. Maybe more in the form of overpopulation a separate problem that is still connected to the big picture.

I admit there are probably many factors with any example. But the difference between me and many people who won't even humor an idea like global warming is I am at least not living in complete denial that the human race is affecting the planet to the point of inhabitability. Its basic math - we can't keep doing what we are doing forever. Its going to reach a saturation point. Rain forests will be gone. Coral reefs will dry up. animal life will be extinct. There are only so many disposable razors and diapers our planet can hold. Maybe it will be another 200 years away, but there is no question as a society we are "building our houses out of straw".

But the things we do as individuals is marginal to what is being done on a corporate and buerocratic level - and its not going to change in my lifetime. So i'll leave this world happy knowing i didn't leave any offspring to suffer in the next generation.

Did you know that in the last hundred years alone, the population of mountain gorillas has gone from 10,000 to 600. Tell me that has nothing to do with human beings. We suck, Sauce. You can't deny it. No snow piles in Detroit are going to argue your case that we are fucking up the planet - and when i say that, i only mean until Mother Nature brushes us off like a bad cold.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-18 06:12 pm (UTC)


Finally, you come out with it. Jor-el, good grief man. That gave me chuckles.

I wanted you to know, dear ryceratops, that everything you knew about your family is incorrect. ryceratops, I am your father.

Here's another take - I think we're all so wrapped up with being the most deadliest animal on this planet that we make up dire shit that has nothing to do with us to make ourselves feel even more melodramatic and omnipotent.

Anyway, the reason for the joke about Al Gore is due to GWB saturation - too many jokes.

If you can't laugh about global warming, then I dunno what to say.
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-19 03:42 pm (UTC)

Re: EL-Oh-EL

okay truce. its a touchy subject i usually try to avoid.

kneel before Zod.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-19 10:03 pm (UTC)

Well, Allow Me to Feel Indignant.

When this first started, I expected some laughs, especially from people also getting a bunch of snow.

Then I started receiving not laughs but a shitty education about a subject that quite frankly, like most subjects of serious business, despite my understanding and time spent on my own to ponder, well . . . I just don't give a flying goddamn.

So I said to myself, "Well, let's push this shit just one time."

Have you ever considered the 2,616,459,966 people between India, Pakistan, and China and the general global warming problem they create far more than the 76 million people in 1900 who grew to 275 million by 2000 that lived and caused a similar but far smaller contribution in the United States?

They're lagging, but they're causing a far more troublesome level.

What do we get if we order those countries to higher regulations? Probably a bomb shelter life for very few, not that it matters . . . we're cockroaches with better brains. Again, I am numb to all of it.

I agree with this reasoning in this next video, but regardless of touchy subjects for anyone, I'm gonna do whatever I want for jokes about politics. Politics are skeez.

This is the last time I take this much time with serious business.
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-19 10:12 pm (UTC)

Re: Well, Allow Me to Feel Indignant.

"...Have you ever considered the 2,616,459,966 people between India, Pakistan, and China and the general global warming problem they create far more than the 76 million people in 1900 who grew to 275 million by 2000 that lived and caused a similar but far smaller contribution in the United States?..."

Yeah but I never said this was an American problem - I think its a humanity problem - all humans, (aside from the Aborigines in Australia that are still cut off from society) are contributing to systems that are not sustainable or cyclical. This isn't just about global warming - its about creating a future that is going to really suck for us, for animal life, for plant life, for all of us. And its a large part because we are stupid and lazy - and that goes for Pakistan, China, Timbuktu, and Walla Walla Washington.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-19 10:35 pm (UTC)

They're God's, Not Mine.

I can't change 5,999,999,999 people, let alone order them to comply with some noble idea.

I can't even get people to laugh at a harmless joke.

Therefore, the despair example is completed . . . for you.
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-19 10:48 pm (UTC)

Re: They're God's, Not Mine.

but if enough people voice for change, policy makers CAN make millions of people change.

If we create national laws and policies (like laws against whaling) we can bring back populations of whales. If we all have an "I can't make people change attitude", then there isn't really hope for us after all. I think everyone's voice counts a little, they all add up.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-19 11:15 pm (UTC)
I agree, but until I'm a vampire and live forever, fuck it.
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-19 11:19 pm (UTC)
well, right, that's just it. I'll be gone before it even matters. I guess I don't know why i care as much as i do. I'll just jettison my baby into deep space and hope some farmers on a distant world find him.

...or i just won't have babies.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2007-12-19 11:33 pm (UTC)
I'd argue for the former, if it hurts you that much.

If you're just crazy, I'd argue for the latter.
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[User Picture]From: ryceratops
2007-12-19 11:38 pm (UTC)
nah, I'm pretty crazy. Don't mind me.
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