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Vanilla Sky . . . I Live . . . for . . . [Mar. 17th, 2004|01:00 am]
Sauce1977
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I live for films like Vanilla Sky.

Jacob's Ladder, AI, What Dreams May Come, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Requiem for a Dream, A Clockwork Orange, Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, many more that are on the horizon of my memory, they move me internally, like all great films do.

I forgot about my laundry with Vanilla Sky.

That's a pretty good film, one capable of such feats.
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[User Picture]From: so_gracefully
2004-03-17 01:14 am (UTC)
i tend to really like movies like this too. eternal sunshine of the spotless mind looks really interesting, and i'm hoping it will be up to par with things like these (jim carrey is kind of a wildcard, though, so i don't know what it will be like). also, have you seen waking life?
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:02 pm (UTC)
Jim Carrey is a wild card. I've enjoyed his latest works. I'm sure that his latest performances have been much better . . . I didn't like The Mask very much, but the difference between films like The Mask and The Cable Guy against some of his finer works, like the original Ace Ventura and most notably, The Truman Show . . . well, the latter are films that shine brilliantly.

I haven't seen Waking Life . . . how was it?

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[User Picture]From: so_gracefully
2004-03-17 11:38 pm (UTC)
it's really interesting in terms of both the content and the format. it's a little bit difficult to explain, but it deals with consciousness and dreams and wakefulness and things like that. it was filmed like a regular movie and then illustrators went over the film and made this animation from it. it's very unique, i think. i also think, based on this post, you might really enjoy it.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-18 12:05 am (UTC)
That sounds like a hot ticket, so hot that I will have to look for a film that sounds like, from your description, a similar style to that of the music video, "Take on Me," by A-Ha.
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[User Picture]From: kzookitten
2004-03-17 01:56 am (UTC)
that movie is by far one of my favorites
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:05 pm (UTC)
For sure.

I like clever films like these.

I just watched Annie Hall last week, and I loved it. There is a part on the DVD where Keaton and Allen meet, and they're talking to each other . . . .

Suddenly, the subtitles became dual-subtitles, one line on top of the screen, one on the bottom. I noticed the dual titles were for what Keaton and Allen were speaking and thinking.

That was a clever addition to the quality of the film. I liked it.
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From: puppytron
2004-03-17 05:53 am (UTC)
i love sci-fi...but AI was a bunch of bullshit.

visually: stunning

plot: layed out and played out

story: craptacularly overstated.

moral: completely disturbing

dont get me started! (too late)

p.s. everyone i know that saw this movie and liked it literally turned into a jack-ass. tail and ears and my fist in their faces and everything...
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:08 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry the film turned people into total dimwitted poison chew-toys on you!

If you were to elaborate on your opinion of the craptacularly overstated story, and especially, the completely disturbing moral, I think we can rally some more dissent for AI.

I encourage it! Please tell me more.
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From: puppytron
2004-03-18 05:31 am (UTC)
:-?

but it will just make me upset to talk about it...i hate it ever so much...

:-(

give me some time to lament before i comment. ;-)
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From: puppytron
2004-03-18 07:21 am (UTC)
AI problems

Firstly, I have to say how excited I was about this feature. I love Kubrick so much…the problem is I hate speilberg. I used to love spielburg, but I'm sick of the attitude that he can do know wrong. very upset he will be making a Tintin movie too...

Second, the original story for this film was bastardized "Super Pets Last the Summer Long" was really good. I hate anything that the original content gets lost in a screenplay wriuter or director's vision. Its not cool.

Third. The Pinochio similarities were WAYYYY over the top…instead of making subtle references and trusting the audience's ability to see the similarities, he basically made it the retelling of the tale, but then fell short on not following thru with it, i.e. there were no wolf and fox to tempt him, yet they had the "Pleaure Island" aspect in the big corrupt city, and the Cricket concept in Teddy…but no whale…also, the little wooden boy searching for Blue faerie got old and overstated

The one thing I loved about this movie is something no one agrees with me on…that this is the first resurgence of what would be considered the return of the Classic greek tragedy. When I say tragedy, I mean a drama that has the protaganist fill the role of the antagonist as well…a character who does not reconcile / learn a lesson / change by the end of the feature. David was just as much the same tragic character he was at th eend of the film as he was at the beginning. Because he is a robot that cannot change his programming, he cannot be a dynamic character (dynamic characters reconcile their differences in a dramatic piece or literature…they come to a conclusion and change by the end) David's quest to find his mother was met by repeated failures and failures…and the audience was waiting for him to realize she isnt the right mother for him. We were waiting for him to find his way. In the end his "wish" was the penultimate tragedy. After everything, he just wanted his mom back…and the scene where her clone was alive briefly just churned my stomach. This bitch left him on the side of th eroad. This was disturbing that this was the big happy ending.

I wish they wouldbve made this an "ugly duckling" story instead…i.e. David you are not an ugly human, you are a beautiful android" but the ending was further tragic, because he again, by the film's end is stuck in an ironic twist, that he is still an outsider among th erobots of the future that found him at the bottom of the ocean…beause he is an outdated model…he will never be one of them just like he will never be a real little boy.

A happy ending wouldve been for the robots to make him one of them…

I could go on and on and on….

Bicentenial Man was a much more superior film. Brilliant.
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From: puppytron
2004-03-18 07:23 am (UTC)
p.s. oh yeah, i forgot that it was shitty the way he also fell short on trying to make it a "wizard of Oz" retelling along with the pinochio. it just didnt work.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-18 04:13 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he certainly crammed too much into it. It wasn't all symmetrical and subtle.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-18 04:11 pm (UTC)
Oh man!

You make some wonderful points.

I remember thinking that AI bit off too much . . . it couldn't chew it all . . .

There wasn't solid sense of where they wanted to go with this film.

Kubrick, as other people have mentioned, probably would have made the film more focused on the boy and less about the environment/universe, which was very imaginative but too much to contain in a 2-3 hour ditty.

Bicentennial Man was good? I missed that one! I'll have to see it . . . :D
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From: puppytron
2004-03-19 06:11 am (UTC)
yep, i think it was a real lack of direction...maybe i think about this stuff too much.

i just take my sci fi very seriously. :-)
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-19 12:13 pm (UTC)
Sci-Fi fans truly understand. :D
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From: puppytron
2004-03-19 01:08 pm (UTC)
:-) true true
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[User Picture]From: fruitpunch76
2004-03-17 06:03 am (UTC)

Yay!

You finally watched it! Did you see the parallel between the movie and the screenplay you had me read? It was eerie!
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:09 pm (UTC)

Re: Yay!

I had you read a screenplay?

Confused?

Seriously, I'm confused.
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[User Picture]From: fruitpunch76
2004-03-18 12:13 pm (UTC)

Re: Yay!

I have a knack for confusing you, don't I?

I'm having an eh day. Read my post and you'll understand. This new employee is being ridiculous. If you don't train her the way SHE wants to be trained she gets all pissy. She's a former edcor employee...I don't know how they did stuff over there but she apparently doesn't like our way of doing things. Oh well.
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From: sub_conscious
2004-03-17 07:26 am (UTC)
would your believe me if i said i never saw vanilla sky. nope, never did.

as for your other movies, they all rank in my top 20 best films of all time.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:13 pm (UTC)
Marcus, you are eerily similar to me.

I skipped Vanilla Sky because of the critically-panned reviews. Time and money were short like they were now, and I was lookin' for a winner among the many winners that year.

I didn't even rent this one . . . it was part of my roomie's collection.

Completely shocked, I was, at the wonderful quality.

It obviously is not original, as the Spanish film was the inspiration for it. However, that being put aside (I didn't see the Spanish version yet), it's visually stunning, has that Fight Club/Fear and Loathing little detail replay value, and I'm sure the commentary reveals more intricacies.

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From: sub_conscious
2004-03-17 06:28 pm (UTC)
i'll definitely have to take a look at it now.


and yeah, you're right we're eerily similar. amazing how the internet can put you in contact with those of like minds.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 11:52 pm (UTC)
When one watches films of people, and when one uses media devices such as the internet, one can find a wealth of community in like-minded individuals.

When I find intelligence, that is my community.
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From: sub_conscious
2004-03-17 06:39 pm (UTC)
i'll definitely have to take a look at it now.


and yeah, you're right we're eerily similar. amazing how the internet can put you in contact with those of like minds.
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[User Picture]From: renazle_dazzle
2004-03-17 11:18 am (UTC)
I love Vanilla Sky. I want to see the original version. I guess Penelope Cruz is in it as well.
Jacobs Ladder is disturbing in a great way. I think AI would have been better if Kubrick(RIP) directed it. I have lost ALL respect for Spielberg after he replaced guns with walkie talkies in the 20th anniversary ET. The scene when the feds are going to shoot the kids and ET makes them fly is classic and was my favorite scene as a kid.
All the movies you listed are good.

I recommend "Psycho Beach Party" to you. No one has complained anout it yet that I know of.
I am also going to recommend the following they are not sci-fi but they are all unique.....
1."But I'm a Cheerleader" (RuPaul as a man is weird)
2."Lady in White" It was one of Lucas Haas's earlier films. I loved it as a kid
3."Dirty Pretty Things" It is pretty good. It came out in 2003.
4. "The Station Agent" It is one of those films that is just kind of there in a good way.
5. "The Secret adventures of Tom Thumb"- It is FUCKED UP!!!! I have never seen such a dark twisted claymation movie!!
6. And one of my FAVORITE films of al time- "Quadrophenia"
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:24 pm (UTC)
Yes, I dislike it when directors befuddle their achievements with silly re-edits.

Two others come to mind as dubious as the E.T. re-edit.

1) Number one with a laser blast . . . the re-edit of the Han Solo/Greedo "I'll bet you have" scene.

The worst decision ever made by George Lucas, far worse than any of his other edits, was made when Lucas felt it necessary for Greedo to shoot first.

Greedo was an idiot!!! He telegraphed that an execution was coming. Who does that? Greedo, the idiot. It was perfectly acceptable for Han Solo, a known rogue and smuggler, to get the drop on Greedo as was originally shot.

Lucas's further reasoning? Contrary to popular belief, Han Solo wasn't really that much of a rogue.

Bullshit! He's sittin' there, finagling with Obi Wan Kenobi about gettin' paid some major extra dough due to their wanted status. Who harbors people known to be looked for by the law? Rogues do!

He's a rogue, and he smokes that Greedo ass with a first shot.

2) The Night of the Living Dead 30th Anniversary Edition.

The entire movie, after further review, just plain sucks. Romero goofed when he added that annoying preacher and the cheezy midi-orchestra. The lack of music and the low-fi music from the original was just fine. In fact, there was only one really interesting extra scene done, and that was the opener with the backstory on the first re-animated zombie.

I do believe I'll have to write your list of films down and patrol the Blockbuster. If they aren't there, I can ask Jim to Netflix them . . .
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[User Picture]From: apollocelsius
2004-03-17 03:24 pm (UTC)
The original spanish version of Vanilla Sky is far superior. Its one of my favorite foreign films of all time. Its got a nice creepy feel to it that the remake doesnt quite have. I guess its just that european style of direction that gives it its edge. I dont know what the spanish title of the original is, but i know when its translated its called "Open Your Eyes". So if your trying search it out then i would just try to look for it under that name. And if you have the Sundance channel you might end up catching it on there if your lucky.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-17 04:34 pm (UTC)

Spanish Version of Vanilla Sky . . .

Thanks for the encouragement to pursue the Spanish version!

For the name of it . . . it is called Abre los ojos, directed by Alejandro Amenábar.

He also did The Others with Nicole Kidman, and that film I did see, and I can truly say it's quite a well-crafted film in the style of these films.

Alejandro's original must be the reason why Vanilla Sky gets less love.

I did watch Ringu before I saw The Ring, and I can say without a doubt that while I liked The Ring very much, Ringu is a superior original.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-03-29 03:21 am (UTC)

IMDB Commentary.

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