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Open, Searching-Question Follows. [Jul. 26th, 2004|04:08 pm]
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What's wrong with loyalty?
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[User Picture]From: cobaltbluetony
2004-07-26 05:16 pm (UTC)

thoughts on loyalty

Loyalty is like chivalry: alive, but useless to most today.

Being loyal to oneself is a contradictory term. Being loyal implies putting another's interests ahead of your own non-critical ones.

The more rushed we get, the less time we have to ponder to whom we might owe loyalty.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-26 05:34 pm (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

Maybe the subject of priorities might be related.

Some folks have allegiance to God, then country, then family, then everything else.

Others covet money, job, and the things that one can buy.

And so on and so forth . . .

In terms of loyalty, I hold true to my best of friends. If something conflicted with them, I'd side with my friends. There are greater loyalties, of course, but it seems like loyalty implies almost sort of a team mentality . . . a group of people who work together with common interests.

I think I'm concerned with the hypocrisy of the stressing in the workplace of being a 'team player' while contrasted with the absolute lack of loyalty, stemming from the lack of job security.
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[User Picture]From: cobaltbluetony
2004-07-26 07:20 pm (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

I've always held that part of being loyal to my friends was holding them to the values they espouse, privately of course.

I think the corporate push for "team players" while stabbing employees in the back helped create the 'loyalty to oneself' ideaology.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-26 09:10 pm (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

In other words, you not only look out for your pals, you make sure they keep on the right track. That's quite noble, if so.

It just seems like smoke up the bum, sort of speak.

The whole team mentality happens on its own. It takes a little guidance, but no amount of motivation is going to make workers enjoy an atmosphere where routine 'downsizes' feature half of their co-workers demoted or not with them.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-26 09:10 pm (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

LOL.

The smoke up the bum isn't what you're doing, it's in reference to the hypocrisy of the average work environment.
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[User Picture]From: cobaltbluetony
2004-07-27 07:04 pm (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

exceprt from a memo: "The company has done everything possible to improve employee morale; therefore, if anyone's attitude about their job does not improve, they will be fired."
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-27 09:24 pm (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

That's the kind of sight that companies suffer from the executive point of view.

I forget whether it's near or far-sighted, but it's the type of vision that doesn't allow for clear view right in the near area, yet they can see clearly for longer distances.
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[User Picture]From: cobaltbluetony
2004-07-28 03:38 am (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

Tue, but in reality they can't see the forest through the trees. They won't make as much money if people learn they are a dreadful group to work for. That's the big picture they can't see.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-28 03:58 am (UTC)

Re: thoughts on loyalty

Well, my last major job, a vendor for OnStar service, that's exactly what happened.

That vendor doesn't provide that service any further for GM in that capacity.
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From: zboson
2004-07-26 06:27 pm (UTC)
Sometimes it can get you in trouble, particularly when you have divided loyalties, or misguided ones. Sometimes it's just another word for "clinging", which of course is not what loyalty really is.

But there's not always something wrong with it, is there? Sometimes it's a blessing, and a rare one.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-26 09:11 pm (UTC)
I put a lot of stock into it . . . it only works if the others are also loyal and do it in a mutual way.
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[User Picture]From: thedeadfisharmy
2004-07-27 06:14 am (UTC)
Loyalty is only as valuable as those you place it in.
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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-27 09:24 pm (UTC)
Oh how true that seems to be.

I wish I could have a better range on it.
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[User Picture]From: stitchn
2004-07-27 10:50 am (UTC)
I worked retail sales and management for oh, I guess about 18 years.
I have had some of the worst, most abusive bosses you can imagine... still, they pushed that pseudo-corporate "team player" stuff on me and expected my loyalty based, I think, on my fear of their threats of being so easily replaced.

Toward the end of my career as a retail sales clerk I got a job selling for a chinese jeweler, a stonecutter. Every day he left me with his work, $40,000 dollars worth of gemstone jewelry, hundreds in cash and all his customers credit card receipts. He trusted me. and that meant a lot to me.

His views about family, friends and his responsibility toward others were so different than any other boss I had ever had. He treated me fairly and was truly concerned that I was happy with him and that I had the opportunity to make a decent living so that I would stay. He was considerate and respectful toward me and he earned my deepest loyalty in return.

He was the first person who ever said to me "Laura, you don't have to be nice to EVERYONE." if you have ever worked any kind of customer service you will understand how that statement revolutionized my thinking.

I stayed his loyal employee until I started my own business, which I may never have done if it weren't for his fine example.


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[User Picture]From: sauce1977
2004-07-27 09:25 pm (UTC)
We need more fine people like your jeweler mentor.
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